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A5902+ Participants arranged by color-coded SNPs, mapped based on population density (1854 Griffith's valuation) of that particular anglicized variant. Analyzing this in terms of the most numerous variants is very similar and only really changes Fannin/Kenny to Killoe p., Co. Longford. The parishes of Killoe, Columbkille, & Granard in Co. Longford have a remarkably high cluster of A5902+ families, especially in terms of population density, for being part of "Breifne" for such a short period of time. Particularly Masterson/Kiernan who ruled Tullyhunco (aka Clonballykiernan) are more numerous here. It seems Ui Ruairc became overlord of the Cairpre Garbra here c1070; It is commanding & elevated terrain which is desirable compared to lower lying bogland and floodplains on the Breifne side east of Loch Gowna in Tullyhunco/Clanmahon; perhaps there was a distinct tuath here of A5902+ that was lost to history. The area was subjugated by the Normans by 1190, particularly the Tuites, who built Granard Motte. It fell to the Conmaicne family of O'Fearghail in the late 13th century, becoming part of Anghaile, which affected it's later shiring into Co. Longford in 1584.

Below is a shot from "Tighernan Ui Ruairc and a 12th century Grant in the Book of Kells", discussing Imar (Iomhar?) mac Tighernain of the Cenel Brenainn (A5902+). It also associates with him the Ui Dubhtaig, of which the A5902+ family in Killoe, Co. Longford probably descend. Ballyduffy (Baile Ui Dubhtaig) is in Killoe which was a longtime ancient homeland of this family, and it also shows that these Duffys are probably separate from the Mac Giolla Dubh of Teallach Garbeith (Tullygarvey, Co. Cavan). If the Duffys were long-established by the 12th century in Killoe, I think there is a good chance that Teallach Dunchadha, if not some other tuath of the Muintir Tighernain probably included a good portion of the barony of Granard in Co. Longford. Not to get too off-topic, but logainm.ie's entry for Ballyduffy, Co. Longford denotes a 1603 Patent Roll record of a Teige McMurghe of Duffbaile, the A5902+ Murphys are connected to this clade, perhaps there was a Murchadh Ui Dubhtaigh?

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*footnote 95*: AU1281: Gilla-Isu Mac Tigernan, arch-chief of the Cinel-Breainn, died.

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Chris,

Just Wow!

Based on your excellent research, I have changed the R1b-S6687+ Duffy men to Ó Dubthaig instead of Mac Gilla Duib. That is definitely a much better fit for the Anglicization. I have also changed the R1b-BY108285+ Murphy men to Mac Murcháda instead of Ó Murcháda based on their Y-DNA connection to the Duffy men. It is a reasonable surmise there may have been a Murchád Ó Dubthaig who was the progenitor of a Mac Murcháda sept that Tadc Mac Murcháda of Baile Uí Dubthaig belonged to.

The Cenél Brénaind is an interesting name, although I take it that comes from a later Brénaind, not the original Brénaind son of Fergnóe whom we surmise is the progenitor of the entire R1b-A5902 clade.
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Thanks very much David! I definitely agree with your conclusion there in ref to "Brenaind", as the data suggests that the A5902+ man probably lived c900 and likely in Breifne. It's definitely a little murky, as I found the Teallach Dunchadha first used the term Cenel Brenainn possibly in attempt to claim themselves to be an elder branch to the Teallach Eachdhach. In my mind, as these were two separate distinct tuaths, I would think "why would one branch claim more legitimacy to an ancestor than the other?" but aside from vying for potential chieftainship of Breifne, or some elevated status, it could be that there was originally one A5902+ tuaith where two or more fledgling septs were vying for supremacy in the century or so prior to Tighernain Mor Ui Ruairc's massive expansion c1050-1170. In this timeframe, he was actively colonizing Mide, Annaly & Airgialla with Fir Breifne. Maybe it was Paul MacCottar's work that I'm thinking of where he said that it seemed (via placenames) that "Inner Breifne" (either or all of Tullyhaw, Tullyhunco, Loughtee) seemed to possibly be the Ui Ruairc stronghold prior to expansion. Surname clusters under FGC59200 Teallach Eachdach seem to have the greatest geographical spread, including the perplexing Airgialla surnames, maybe there's something to this.

In other news, although attempts at verifying "Ceilleachain" have yet to pan out, I was able to sleuth out another McLean (of Tullyboy, Co. Cavan) who may be more distantly related and send him a kit. Whether he ends up related to me, or of FGC55814, or is even Scottish, it's a real toss-up. I was able to determine that my particular kindred was most dense around Lisduff & Tullyboy, Co. Cavan post-1600 and either originated there or migrated there from West Meath. This distribution reflects a family of anglican smiths, carpenters and masons most numerous around Ballymachugh parish. And that this surname probably distributed as it did c1570-1650 when the Nugents of Delvin had possessed all of Fore barony along with a growing proportion of Granard & Clanmahon baronies, which which they held in their entirety by 1598 under Elizabeth I until the Cromwellian confiscations.
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(Records prior to 1800)

Multiple McClean Families...

It would seem there were multiple "McClean" kindreds in Breifne, or surnames that anglicized this way, at least one of which were late 16th century redshanks (as opposed to earlier gallowglass, which little to no references really support; the "Redshank era" was c1450-1650), I found that between 1569 and 1584, upwards of 4,000 Maclean redshanks landed in Lough Foyle in three waves and were in buonnaght with Turlough Luineach O'Neil, who was also the largest purveyor of redshanks in Ireland. The Macleans were kinsmen of the O'Neil predecessor (Shane O'Neil, who m. Cath Maclean, dau. Sir Lachlan Mor Maclean). Turlough Luineach O'Neil on multiple occasions came to an agreement with the Elizabethan govt and dismissed large forces of mercenaries. He consistently sent forces of mercenaries to his allies like O'Rourke, because O'Neil was at war with O'Reilly c1570-84 due to O'Reilly's cooperation with the government (in essence it seems like O'Neil was fighting a proxy war with O'Reilly via supplying the O'Rourke with large forces of redshanks) In 1581 it was noted O'Neil sent O'Rourke "600 Scottes" (poss the Carrigallen-Killeshandra McCleans?). In the timeframe of this event, O'Neill had 3,000 redshanks billeted in his country, over 2,000 of which were Macleans. In 1582, he dismisses more redshanks who were noted in Hayes-McCoy's book to "have intention to go to Clandeboye and settle". Alone this isn't much but in 1599 a Maclean population was recorded in "Clannaboye & The Dufferin", indicating these people made good on their intention. It would also explain the FGC55184 McClean in Killeshandra being closely related to the McClean from the Mourne Mountains, but the timeframe is narrow for a 1581 group of mercenaries to absorb the native population and then migrate to Clandeboye the following fighting season. I would theorize that these many settlements were in communication with eachother, possibly resupplied eachother, and that there was already a large family of Macleans in Breifne in 1581 (ref AU 1486 "Alan & Ruaidhri Maclean slain when O'Rourke & MacCabe went to MacRannell's country)

The redshank kindreds could have fought as little as one season before transitioning to farming or craftsmanship, as it was not a hereditary occupation like gallowglass. There were initially, until the 1540s, transient and returned to Scotland, until the mass overpopulation and poverty in the isles. A redshank captain in one fighting season would have accumulated enough wealth to practically be on par of a country gentleman of the time.

Something else interesting is that in 1580-81, Nugent of Delvin had allied himself with James Eustace and was "out" in the Baltinglass rebellion (Battle of Glenmalure, allied with Fiach mac Hugh O Byrne); William Nugent came to Turlough Luineach O'Neil in April 1581 asking for aid, however history does not note if this help came through although O'Neil pledged "foot and horse for Nugent and Eustace" which would have more than likely been in the form of Scots (70% of which were Macleans) , as it was his established tactic. Soon afterwards, Nugent was in Scotland in the court of James V, and another fleet of Macleans landed in Lough Foyle. This gained the attention of many of Elizabeth I's spies in Ulster, and "The Nugent Intrigue" is well-documented in Elizabethan correspondence in the early 1580s with references to both O'Neil & Sir Lachlan Mor Maclean, but nothing was ever proven. It's quite interesting. In 1597 when Nugent was granted extensive lands in Granrd b, Co. Longford & Clanmahon b., Co. Cavan after his expenses and debts for decades of fighting O'Farrell & O'Reilly, he wrote to Elizabeth of his intent to "billet troops" in this area as a new bulwark to protect the Pale (could Macleans have still been under his employ?)

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(Surname clusters with correlation to records of mercenary employment)

Also, Lee has about 2 weeks left before his BigY is done, I'm predicting he may be a new branch of BigY but that's just based on his "Mirage" of markers :lol: :lol:
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Chris,

Truly astounding!

Based on what we have seen and what the records say, the R1b-ZZ87 Uí Néill subclades would be the most likely source of "Scottish" kinsmen redshanks. I searched through and found these gentlemen:

R1b-S588 Uí Néill, Cenél nEógain
R1b-S588 MacLean
R1b-BY45355 McLean
R1b-FTB49930 McClain

R1b-DF85 Uí Néill, Cenél Conaill
R1b-FGC65264 McLain

R1b-FGC36289 Uí Néill mystery clade
R1b-FT254857 McLean (same clade with a Neale surname gentleman)

Unfortunately, there is only one gentleman in each of these clades, so SCEs could be a problem. The last gentleman is interesting because he shares the clade with a Neale surname gentleman. But again, with only one Neale surname sample, an SCE could be possible. And there is the fact we cannot identify yet which son of Niall Noígíallach they may descend from.

It will be interesting to see how these clades grow, and if they develop significant clusters of Mac Gilla Eáin/etc. surnames.
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Wow thanks David! I've been perusing the Maclean group for years waiting to see a papertrail for any of these areas to maybe find that link of the Scottish kindred that asborbed Irish in the same area, but nothing yet. it really seems the bulk of them were in Colonial America, and probably part of the 1715-75 migrations from Ulster
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Lee joins Hennessy, Rawson, Williamson in FGC59200>FGC59201, and the Teallach Eachdhach clade grows. I dont have any of the other individuals in my group so I cant see any info, however: The blocktree variants indicate that FGC59201 is somewhere around 500 years old.

-Parishes in Griffiths with Lee or Williamson (7 in Killeshandra where there was a Lee Farming cluster in the 1796 Flax bounty) along with some factoids:
-307501's MDKA
-The oldest record I've come up with in the area outside of some Mac Anlea fiants in northern Longford in the 1580s (In Longford, this surname seems to be an alias of the Mac Dhuinnsleibhe, a medical family from Ulster)
-The location of a medieval university/hospital of brehon law & learned classes.

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There is a small cluster of Hennessys in Butlers Bridge, Castleterra; just north of Cavan town. Most of the surname is on the Meath border. Rawson is probably an NPE (Midlands; English: "Rolf's son")
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Wow! A lot of personal distractions during the last week has left me little time to log on. Look at all that I missed! Great job guys with this very informative dialog! Well done! :)
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All fascinating stuff. Thanks Chris for your excellent research. I very much enjoy reading and waiting for the next instalment.

In relation to your first post, I have the following which may or may not be helpful:

"The parishes of Killoe, Columbkille, & Granard in Co. Longford have a remarkably high cluster of A5902+ families, especially in terms of population density, for being part of "Breifne" for such a short period of time. Particularly Masterson/Kiernan who ruled Tullyhunco (aka Clonballykiernan) are more numerous here."

One reason for so many McKiernans in Granard and surrounding areas could be that they 'fled' there during the plantation of Cavan and particularly after '1642'. The resting place of the last chief is apparently on the grounds of the site of his former castle on the shores of Loch Gowna and Loch Gahmna. When they lost this last castle in Cavan they apparently crossed over to Longford.

This could be apocryphal but this is an excerpt from a Cavan local history source:

"McKiernan, the chief, built a castle on the shore of Lough Gowna - a poor district – and from there went on cattle raids back to the rich plains of Crossdoney. At last the Clan with their booty was followed in force by the Planters and a battle took place at Portanure on the Cavan bank of the Erne. The McKiernan Clan was badly beaten and finally driven out. They settled on the opposite side of the Erne (Longford) side on a rock. That rock is known as Toome and to this day every house is a Kiernan (Mc dropped). So plentiful are they and so similar the Christian names that each must wear a nickname eg. Johnny Big Farrell, Johnny Sir and Eight, Johnny the Master Johnny Bernard, Johnny Red Red, Johnny Feety, etc."

The other side of this is that many of the McKiernans who remained in Cavan changed their name to the more acceptably anglicised Masterson (they are closely related in any event). This could explain why there as so many Mastersons in Cavan as opposed to McKiernans who were the leading family.
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Richard thanks so much for that info! It actually may be a bit of a puzzle piece here, as there seems to have been two Maclean popuations. But the location of the Lough Gowna-Lough Sheelin kindred puzzled me because of the potential of different landlords between 1580-1660. In fact this is what made me look at a potential Irish surname anglicizing to Maclean, as they seemed "separate". It's also interesting to hear about "Portanure" and it possibly being a strategic place in terms of MacKiernan's defense, as there was a John McClain in the 1664 hearth tax in Portanure.

If I map out each kindred with population density, and plot the the Hill of Croaghan (MacKiernan's pre-plantation seat) and Toome on Lough Gowna, with the associated kits, it may give an answer. Were all of these people at one time tenants of the MacKiernan? If so, they would have all been O'Rourkes redshanks, which are documented both in the 1486 Ulster annals and referenced in 1580s as being sent to him from Tulough O'Neil by the hundreds. It's also worth noting that a good portion of them may have been protestants at the time of mercenary service. For this reason, the Macleans & Campbells (Laggan Redshanks when plantation started in Donegal) were noted to be "civil & deserving Irish"; and some of them may have been accepted as worthy tenants in the plantation scheme. The "Lough Sheelin" group, being anglican craftsmen, may have been pulled from the Loch Gowna area.

Could this be just an effect of some Macleans staying put while other pushed out? I did read recently that the "Lough Gowna/Erne Valley" area was aka "bandit country" during the plantation, the parishes of Scrabby & Mullaghnalaghta being carved out of boggy wetlands during the plantation by dispossessed people. Clearly now with your info, it shows that this was MacKiernan.
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I wouldn't rule out FT130287 being native to the map marker, so I may be an NPE among Macleans coming into Westmeath. However anything is possible, I'm very excited for Robert McLean (IN20659)'s results. With the amount of Macleans that may have settled, him being a third native Irish NPE wouldn't shock me.
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Chris,

Continued excellent research!

I had a couple of questions. I noticed you mentioned Laggan Redshanks. Who are they? I ask because the Laggan was an area in the Barony of Tirawley on the northern Co. Mayo coastline that was home to a sept of the Uí Amalgada. Is that name coincidence? Because we have seen no sign of any of the hereditary Uí Amalgada Laggan surnames so far, and have wondered if they were dispersed or died out.

I also noticed the Clandeboye name. Is that related to the Cland Áeda Buide, or Clandeboye, O’Neill? I ask because they and the Ó Néill Ruad, or Red O’Neill, are not genetically Uí Néill at all. In fact, they are not even Dál Cuinn. They are R1b-DF27+, which is the major clade of the Gaels in the Iberian peninsula, such as the Basques.

This has been of interest to me as to how this clade came to Ireland. If it was at a very early period, as in hundreds of years BC, then they COULD fit as descendants of the Milesian invasion story. If later, in the early AD era, then who knows? How they got subsumed into the Cenél nEógain genealogies is still a mystery, barring an SCE.

We, the Dál Cuinn, don't appear to be Milesian at all. Instead, we fit the genealogy given in the Laud 610 manuscript as being descendants of a SECOND Milesius, whose actual name appears to be lost, who seems to have invaded the northwest of Ireland at a much later date. I have wondered if the invasion story of the Tuatha Dé (Danaan) was a very distorted remembrance of the arrival of the people who became the Dál Cuinn, and that is why the Dál Cuinn expansion seems to have come from Co. Donegal or western Co. Mayo. My apologies for getting off topic.
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