The Future Of Open Y-DNA Data

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The Future Of Open Y-DNA Data

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I wonder if the Wild West days of open and free data sharing and analysis and interpretation for Y-DNA data are coming to a close. This was sparked by this recent post by Geoff Melloy. To paraphrase a post Zack Daugherty had made elsewhere, testing companies, especially WGS tests, are becoming more available and the price is dropping rapidly. The value will be in the post testing data analysis and interpretation of the results.

But as far as I can tell, there are only 3 viable services for that post testing data analysis:
  1. FTDNA
  2. YFull
  3. The Big Tree (for R1b-P312+ men only)
FGC has a service available, but does not appear to have a wide presence. YSEQ defers to YFull for the data interpretation. The Big Tree free service is being scaled back due to the demands on Alex Williamson's time, which he is and has done strictly voluntarily. That leaves only the 2 fee based services. The DCG has attempted to provide (for free) a deeper data interpretation for R1b-DF104+ men, and we will continue to do so as long as the data is available.

Where does that data come from? It comes from public data sources, including FTDNA project results pages. Why do we do this? Because no one else was doing it period, and especially not for our area of interest, R1b-DF104+ men. We tried to set up a project at FTDNA and were denied twice on the flimsiest of made-up excuses due to biases from certain project admins at FTDNA who are company pets and have a fair amount of influence as a result. This tacit approval of ethnic bias and censorship is more than a little ironically hypocritical considering the origins of the company's founders.

Let me refer you to an older article by Roberta Estes on what she thinks about data mining / scraping, which is very negative in summary. But her view is slightly biased because she is an openly admitted affiliate of (shill for) FTDNA, among others.
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It was a conscious decision on the part of the DCG not to become an affiliate of any company in order to maintain complete freedom and independence. A revenue stream from a corporation always comes with strings, even if they are on a subconscious level. To be clear, there is nothing wrong with choosing to become a corporate affiliate, but it has consequences.

BTW, please note, as pointed out in the referenced article, YOUR data is copyrighted by FTDNA if you used their service. How do you feel about that?

So why does the DCG feel what it is doing to gather data is copacetic? Because of the USA legal doctrine of Fair Use:
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Examples of fair use in United States copyright law include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, and scholarship. Fair use provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor test.
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  2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
  3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
  4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
What the DCG is doing meets all 4 of those criteria. We especially do not impact any company's revenue as we are a free volunteer group that is doing data interpretation not being offered anywhere else and done for the betterment of the genetic genealogy community. There is so much data available scattered across so many places that it is difficult for people to find it all, much less consolidate it. And despite efforts to do so, FTDNA made it impossible to consolidate and disseminate that data inside their project structure for reasons mentioned above.

To be clear, any donations the DCG receives or has received are strictly for the operation of the DCG website; and those donations are voluntary. What we do is a labor of love and is free to use for as long as we can operate. And that especially means continued access to public data. Time will tell if that data remains public or gets locked behind fee based corporate walls. You can vote on this with your hard earned money. Corporations exist to serve you, not the other way round.
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Re: The Future Of Open Y-DNA Data

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David,

Thank you for letting us know of the financial support needs for this project. Can you clarify, does the project need $35 total per month or $35 from each member per month to operate?

Hope all is well with you and yours! Thank you for all you do!

Best regards,

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Mark,

Thank you for your support since we started this effort a couple of years ago. I wondered when I wrote that if it was maybe too ambiguous. It is only a total of US$35 per month, not per member per month. So if 7 people donated US$5 per month, we will be good for now.

We have had one person already generously donate US$20, so if 3 more people can donate US$5 each, we will be set for September. I know these are hard times for everyone and not a good time for fund raising, but unfortunately, I have no choice but to do this, or shut the website down. I just cannot support it all on my own anymore.

Thank everyone for their interest in our research efforts and I hope we can continue for years to come.
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David,

Like last year, I contributed 1 month yesterday. I hope 11 others will do the same since you do all of the leg work. Really appreciate what you try to do here even though there are those with bias that fight it.

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Mark,

Thank you and the other donor so much! Without your support, we would not be able to continue our research. We are now good through October 5th. I will take down the donation solicitation nags until later in September.

I want to add we have also had a VERY generous offer of free hosting on one member's server. We are investigating compatibility to make sure it would be an easy port from the current server configuration to the new server. Even in the best case scenario, it will probably take a few weeks to make the transition, so we will need to ask for donations until the end of the year, at least. I will let you know how that goes.
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